Science Vs. Religion

BAM

21. Mar, 2010

That’s a BINGO!

Winniefred

21. Mar, 2010

Glad to see we’re resorting to generalizations of the minority among the religious.

Eschaton

21. Mar, 2010

Science created shock treatment
Religion created science.

GeeCarp

21. Mar, 2010

That’s about as smart as saying Science builds atomic bombs and religion Promotes peace.

Science built the damn airplane.

Hitler was an atheist.

What’s that? He killed people b/c of their religion?

No he didn’t. It was called Eugenics. He killed people because of their genes. Science is just as culpable to error, but the egos of those who propagate atheism won’t allow them to see the fallibility of their own arguments. It’s twice as difficult to argue with a man a science because he believes his ideas are grounded in the absolute. Every generation brings a new group of scientists who think they know everything there ever is to know.

WenSes

21. Mar, 2010

an ad like that means u don’t really know shit about religion… as simple as that

Splash Pads

21. Mar, 2010

The only men to walk on the moon read the bible to the country to explain what they saw

Anonymous

21. Mar, 2010

Deliciously sublime.

parttitkar

21. Mar, 2010

Science dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Religion helped out some of those who needed it.

It just depends what kind of science or religion you look at.

OhHeyMisotheism

21. Mar, 2010

That’s a very telling ad indeed, but what it says something about is New Atheism, not religion in general. There’s not exactly a scientific analysis underlying the suggested causality and in an ideal world it would impress nobody. But it’ll evidently be lapped up by some people, maybe the people Dawkins is thinking of here:

“I am more interested in the fence-sitters who haven’t really considered the question very long or very carefully. And I think that they are likely to be swayed by a display of naked contempt.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/apr/30/religion-atheism-dawkins-contempt

What kind of person is going to be swayed by a “display of naked contempt”? When they should know they don’t have enough information to evaluate claims about religion?

There are more examples of such absolutely shameful statements. And New Atheists claim to stand for science and reason? Where’s the reason when we have what’s basically nothing more than name-calling consistently taking the place of proper arguments?

I don’t care if someone’s a theist or an atheist. You can believe what you believe, whether it’s about God *or about religion*, for rational or irrational reasons. Suggestion: maybe it would be better not to be the kind of ignorant coward who gets swayed by “displays of naked contempt”. Maybe it would be nice to inform yourself about what theism really is so you can actually evaluate whether Dawkins’, Denett’s and so on’s presentation of it is true and not just an incredibly biased over-generalization.

“And the fact that Richard Dawkins and Pat Robertson both disagree tells us something, important, I think, about the symbiosis between the new atheism and fundamentalism — how deeply the new atheists are invested in the idea that a mad literalism is the truest form of any faith, and how completely they depend on outbursts from fools and fanatics to confirm their view that religion must, of necessity, be cruel, literal-minded, and intellectually embarrassing.”

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/fundamentalists-and-the-atheists-who-love-them/

non-religious guy

21. Mar, 2010

what can you get on the moon?

Steve

21. Mar, 2010

@OhHeyMisotheism

Newsflash buddy. Atheism isn’t a religion. It’s the lack of religion. “New Atheism” Is just bullocks. How can a lack of something be renewed?
And the atomic bombs being the result is science is cute, but of what religious conviction was the president that issued the order to have those bombs researched and dropped? Exactly.

Science gives us tools, not dogmas. Don’t you ever forget that.

horsen

21. Mar, 2010

Hitler was confirmed Catholic, not an atheist

Luigi

21. Mar, 2010

Behind bad use of science there is politics, i.e. power and money. Religion is mainly that.
LG

shane

21. Mar, 2010

athiesm is a religion! Absolutely believing there is no god is believing in something you cant prove! the people who are open to their being a god or maybe not are the true religious mainstream

Metalsonik

21. Mar, 2010

People fly you to the moon, people fly into the buildings and people will fight over anything we want because that is what we do! We really suck at times.

Anonymous

21. Mar, 2010

1) Only applies to the religious fanatics who are willing to kill people.

2) Last time I checked the crazy guy who killed Tiller was a murderer.

3) Maybe this could be the prequel to all of that crazy “kill them cause they’re Christians” shit in the apocalypse. Hey it could happen.

Both Theists and Atheists, stop hating, just stop it’s pathetic.

*Double Picard Facepalm at the ad’s permanent Fail

wan

21. Mar, 2010

Here! Here!

Phil

21. Mar, 2010

I get tired of people assigning blame to science or religion on events in history.

Science has no motive. It is a way of understanding the world through study and observation. Science uses very specific methods to gather, analyze, catalog and distribute information. Science understands human nature can taint this type of endeavor and puts in place mechanisms to minimize the impact (double blind studies, peer review…). Science understands knowledge grows over time and previous understandings will always challenged and will change over time. When Science gathers enough facts to suggest a conclusion it cautiously calls this a “theory” no matter how well supported it may be by the facts.

Knowledge and technology can be used for good or evil. I don’t want to live in the stone age just to defend against the misuse of technology (planes, nuclear reactions, electricity, knives..what have you). Blame the user, not the Science

Religion on the other is a set of beliefs. Many religions have a wonderful set of values with great benefits to society. Some extremists have their own wild interpretations… blame them for their actions.

I just don’t see the conflict between Religion and Science… they are different things. When well understood they can complement one another nicely.

So to sum it up, blame people for their own actions, got to Science for facts and Religion for values. You will be fine.

Have great day!

JKF

21. Mar, 2010

“Hitler was an atheist.”

Clearly someone who hasn’t read Mein Kampf. Yeah, he totally wasn’t, no matter what the fundies would like to try to convince you. Hmmm… just stating something incredibly proven wrong so often an certainly people will believe it. The Big Lie I think that was called.

Now who was it that came up with that? I forget.

stl_fox

21. Mar, 2010

@Winniefred: I agree.

@Eschaton: Science created/tested thousands of treatments/methods that didn’t work *and* did work. You can’t be sure what will work until you try it – it’s called empirical evidence. As for “religion creating science” I trust you’re referring to the fact that early education was reserved for priests (and this generally meant “reading/writing”. Those that did pursue “science” were often then considered heretics for their discoveries.

@GeeCarp: Almost everything in your comment could be said in the absolute reverse and be just (if not more) true. “It’s twice as difficult to argue with a man of because he believes his ideas are grounded in the absolute. Every generation brings a new group of who think they know everything there ever is to know [because they read the bible].” Oh, and ‘horsen was right’, Hitler was Catholic. Finally, Hitler was a proponent of eugenics (a pseudo-science), yes, but in the context of ‘racial hygiene’. It was based on ideas that advocated racial purity and social Darwinism (i.e. “survival of the fittest” was interpreted as requiring racial purity and killing off “life unworthy of life.” The first victims were children with physical and developmental disabilities.) Hitler knew nothing of “genes”.

@WenSes: A comment like yours means your haven’t been paying attention to history or current events.

@Splash Pads: No one said a scientist can’t also be a man of faith. Buzz Aldrin and Frank Borman (the astronauts you’re referring to – Buzz took communion on the moon and Borman read from the Book of Genesis – were engineers. Does that make them scientists? Does it matter?

@parttitkar: I couldn’t agree more.

DDayDawg

21. Mar, 2010

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.” – Adolf Hitler, 1922

stl_fox

21. Mar, 2010

@GeeCarp: My re-quote of your comment messed up. What I meant to reword was: “It’s twice as difficult to argue with a man of ‘religion’ because he believes his ideas are grounded in the absolute. Every generation brings a new group of ‘religious followers’ who think they know everything there ever is to know [because they read the bible].”

/edit

alfonzo

21. Mar, 2010

It would be a more telling statement if it actually made it on to the side of a real london bus (or any bus for that matter) .

Make your own up using the bus slogan generator:
http://ruletheweb.co.uk/b3ta/bus/

jimmy

21. Mar, 2010

Another example of nazi atheists: their moto, lets kill all religions. I’m an atheist and I find this grossly innappropriate.

J

21. Mar, 2010

As has been said in the past, Hitler was not an Atheist. He believed himself to be God.

TX

21. Mar, 2010

Methinks some people’s blind belief in their myths, are being shown the mirror, and they don’s like it.

Mike D

21. Mar, 2010

GeeCarp: Hitler was a Catholic, do your research. Science didn’t build anything, people did, start with the Wright brothers. Also, a plane is not capable of thought. It was religion that influenced those involved in 9/11. Religion is responsible for more bloodshed than any other reason in history.

Rosemay Erian

21. Mar, 2010

First Christ was not a Catholic… Catholicism, did not exist then… he was Aramaic and the language He spoke was Syriac thus, the rite that Jesus gave birth to and that started the Holy Christian religion movement was the “Syriac-Orthodox” rite. Those at the time who followed Christ and who lived in Egypt followed the “Orthodox -Coptic” rite. ;-D)

Cherry

21. Mar, 2010

In my point of view, science deals with facts while religion deals with belief.

lilithness

23. Mar, 2010

@GeeCarp:

You said: “Science is just as culpable to error, but the egos of those who propagate atheism won’t allow them to see the fallibility of their own arguments.”

as an atheist I am fully aware that science includes its share of errors. i would say science is rife with errors. but a decent percentage of the time it is correct. on the other hand, it is my personal view that religion is correct 0% of the time. my view of religion vs. science has absolutely nothing to do with my ego not allowing me to admit there are problems within science and i would guess a good bit of atheists think the same way.

Andy

23. Mar, 2010

“The only men to walk on the moon read the bible to the country to explain what they saw.”

You obviously do not know your history. The men who read the first part of Genesis were on the Apollo 8 mission and never set foot on the moon. Also, there were six Apollo missions whose astronauts walked on the moon. None of those men read the bible over a national broadcast.

steveo

23. Mar, 2010

I love how people are dissecting this like it was real – do your research. It’s a Photoshop job. Discussing it as a real advert therefore has no merit.

Some atheists are morons, just like some religious folk. *shock*

boaw

24. Mar, 2010

well not really a religion that fly those guys into building, it was greed, racism and bad politic

ishak

29. Mar, 2010

the question:2+2 =5 or 2+2=6
no , science vs religion is not a good approach

thats the point science with religion.

i believe in God , and i am a math teacher so science tells us how God has great power. and how events happens, how he did. If you understand science better you see his power better.

Learn everything and thank God or Allah

Tamala

02. Apr, 2010

Good night, Happy April Fool’s Day!

An 80 year old couple were having problems remembering things, so they decided to go to their doctor to get checked out to make sure nothing was wrong with them. When they arrived at the doctor’s, they explained to the doctor about the problems they were having with their memory.
After checking the couple out, the doctor tells them that they were physically okay but might want to start writing things down and make notes to help them remember things. The couple thanked the doctor and left.
Later that night while watching TV, the old man got up from his chair and his wife asks, “Where are you going?”
He replies, “To the kitchen.”
She asks, “Will you get me a bowl of ice cream?”
He replies, “Sure.”
She then asks him, “Don’t you think you should write it down so you can remember it?”
He says, “No, I can remember that.”
She then says, “Well, I also would like some strawberries on top. You had better write that down ’cause I know you’ll forget that.”
He says, “I can remember that, you want a bowl of ice cream with strawberries.”
She replies, “Well, I also would like whip cream on top. I know you will forget that so you better write it down.”
With irritation in his voice, he says, “I don’t need to write that down, I can remember that.” He then fumes into the kitchen.
After about 20 minutes he returns from the kitchen and hands her a plate of bacon and eggs.
She stares at the plate for a moment and says, “You forgot my toast.”

Happy April Fool’s Day!

Deane

04. Apr, 2010

Hello there, Happy Easter 2010!!!

ultrasound technician

05. Apr, 2010

Keep posting stuff like this i really like it

voxmystic

07. Apr, 2010

science sucks. it could have been beneficial and positive, but scientists have no sense of responsibility, or respect for the planet and the creatures on it. weapons, pollution, the travesty of modern western medicine, animal testing, radiation, and on and on……

religion also sucks. a bunch of yayhoos arguing, and even killing each other, over illogical, unprovable ideas.

i think we should have less science, less religion, and more art.

anonymous

07. Apr, 2010

People are funny. i love it when people say they hate religion, because it causes war or hatred, and people who say science causes destruction. (essentially what a lot of you are saying)

By the way, to the person saying atheism is a religion- its not, by definition, simple as, that’s a ridiculous argument so just drop it…

The point is people, that is us who create war and hatred and violence and prejudice. its not institutions or beliefs its people. people would be at war with or without religion, with or without science, with or without politics, economics. the thing that causes war is identity. people find it impreative that they conform to an identity, whether its their politics, their religion, (or lack there of), their culture, even their fashion or musical taste will cause conflict (in the context of the playground say) if people can see themselves as the same as one group and as such different to another group then their is an automatic tension, and this can be exploited.

its not important that the crusaders were Christian and the jihadists were Muslim, it doesn’t matter that the Russians were communist and the West was capitalist, it doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that there s a difference, there is conflict of identities which is out their to be exploited by those who want to. think of any conflict in history, you can apply this rule over any other.

until all you people in the world stop being so desperate to indentify with a group and monsterise your rivals there will never be peace. we just need to understand that we are all human at core, and that is the only identity that matters.

those of you stuck in the debate about what belief causes what are the reason there is war. you need to grow up, and i dont mean stop acting like a child, i mean stop acting like a caveman. start acting like a civilised person.

religion isn’t responsible for war or peace, for hate or charity. people are, but they chose to use it as their vehicle for such things.

i hope no one is offended by this, thanks for reading.

Adam Pash

15. Apr, 2010

The sign is funny, no matter if you’re religious or not. Well unless you’re Muslim; they don’t really have a sense of humor.

Tarek Mamdouh

19. Apr, 2010

TOTALLY NONESENSE.

You can’t mix between the malpractice of a few ( so-called ) religiuos poeple and the smart and focused lifestyle which is guided by Islam and all other TRUE religions .And I mean by true : Islam, Christianity and judiesm . You need to be more specific when you claim that religion flies you into buildings and prove that religion has anything to do with that . If a sick, confused person had done it, it is because he is sick and confused, nothing more .

middel-17@hotmail.com

rohit

25. Apr, 2010

this is not correct religion can take you anywhere

vampire george

25. Apr, 2010

religion makes love with a girl not science

Sly A. Demure

08. May, 2010

Evil exists because good men and women do nothing. It ultimately has very little to do with religion or science, which are too often used as a way to justify our actions.

We hide behind science and religion (both of which are constructs of man) so we can avoid to taking personal responsibility for the outcome.

kurtisle

09. Jun, 2010

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